Sunday, 2 March 2025

What the Current Chart would be like based on Retail Sales

 I have argued for some time that the current UK charts done by the Official Charts Company are manufactured to make the charts represent those based on the past, when a single copy sold had the power to effect the chart. But since the introduction of the 12 inch single that has ceased to represent the chart truly. The situation got worse with the introduction of the download and went off the scale with streaming. 

So what has changed. Well back in the early days records were priced all the same just about. So adding up the copies was the easiest way to measure popularity of the records.  But the 12 inch single was more expensive than the standard 7 inch. So the people who bought these was forking out more money than the other people buying 7 inch. When downloads came around the price went down to 99p. But by then 7 inch singles were nearly £4. So now the 7 inch was being underrepresented by the price difference. Even before this happened the price of 7 inch records was being reduced down to encourage high first week sales. With dealers offered deals on the price of records. They could sell so many at reduced price, if they sold so many at full price. This lead to some singles entering at the top of the charts when they were first issued. Due to a very low price. The download did the same. And when iTunes issued singles for just 59p instead, when the Real Chart ended in 2020 it was who was top of the cheap that week. 

Streaming created a bigger problem. To get a representation of the copies sold system, the OCC made it that so many streams equals one download sale. They have had to adjust this level from time to time to keep the same level of copies sold. They also made it impossible for anyone who streams records to actually have enough streams to make one copy or the equivalent download. Which meant if you download a record or purchase a single, you can influence the chart, but if you stream you can't, at least not on your own. The next problem with streaming is that once you have bought a record, you do not need to buy it again. But you never buy a streamed record, it's like renting. You constantly pay. But this means that streamed records sales only slowly die off. Till the public are fed up with it. So to get round this problem after so many weeks the OCC limits the streams of the records and put them at a much lower level. This adjustment generally takes out the record at number one. So very long runs at the top of the charts are reduced.  This adjustment can be reset if the record company request it. Or some special event happens.

There is of course another way to prevent these effects and return the chart to the public chart, not manufactured to fit a copy based system. And that is to count retail sales not copies.  

How: Well you count what the public pay for music. The more money you pay the higher the chart position.  

So a download would be 99p or 59p or whatever price the retailer sells them at.

A 7 inch single would be whatever the price is charged. Some of these can be much higher too. 

The same with the 12 inch single and the CD single etc. 

Streaming is more complex. Most sites charge around £10.99 a month for the service. Trying to work out how many people stream the records per month is complex, but the average family streams 2,000 tracks per month.  Of course the charts company would need to establish how much a typical stream for each site costs.  But based on the monthly cost and 2,000 streams it works out at £0.005495 per stream. Or £0.005p per stream.

With these figures you can use all the streams for each site and add the sales up. Not the number of streams. Then you add on the price of each record, CD, download to the total. 

Such a system would have produced a new number one on the OCC chart this week 

28 February 2025 - 6 March 2025

(1) Kendrick Lamar ~ Not Like Us

36 Oasis ~ Whatever 

The above is the current chart for the OCC

However thanks to the figures supplied by Alan Jones, I can show that under the retail system the number one would change.

The Streams of Kendrick show 2,791,53 on Spotify for the week. Other sites do list them, but Spotify has the most.  The streams thus amount to £13,957.51p  

The OCC says he sold 777 downloads at 0.99p  = £769,23p

Now the Oasis record The OCC says it sold 11465 on 7 inch.  The price is not fixed but the average seems to be £15.95p  So £182,866.75p 

Plus 684 downloads at 99p £677.16p

So you can see that Oasis would have topped the chart instead of being 36! 

Unfortunately the OCC don't reveal the breakdown of the records and only Alan Jones tells you some times, but not all the time. 

Remember these are based on what the public pay. Not on what an artist get in terms of royalties. 

Update 23 March 2025

The Retail Sales system would have the biggest effect on the albums as there are many formats all with varying prices. I can't say for certain, on this week's OCC singles chart, but I don't think they have the correct number one there. I know for certain that the album chart number one would certainly not be top as it has only 89 digital downloads (putting the album at only 17 on the OCC chart) the rest being only streams.  Steven Wilson The Overview would be top for certain, as he sells more (OCC figures) on downloads, CD, Vinyl. Steven topping the vinyl chart with a price of £27. On the download albums, Steven is at two (£11.99). Playboi Carti Music (OCC No 1) might not even be in the top ten based on retail sales. The download sales amount to £978.11p.  The question, of course, is what would it cost to stream an album? My streaming figure for tracks is 0.005p. Would you count each track on an album at that figure?
Since Playboi Carti has 30 tracks, that is 0.15p per album. 21,577 (OCC figure) streams at 0.15p comes to £3,236.55p

Is that too much for streaming an album?  Three thousand pounds would soon be beat. 150 vinyl albums at £27 would gross £4,000 sales. 

 

       

Friday, 10 January 2025

The Charts Easy Find PDF Links

 In order you can find the Real Charts in PDF format I am posting the links to the files on here:

Green dates are still to be compiled. Except where indicated. ND - stands for Not Digitised. 

The Real Chart 1948 PDF 

The Real Chart 1949 (sales incomplete) 

John's 1948 Best Sellers Chart  

Real Chart 1950 

Real Chart 1951 

Real Chart 1952

1953

1954

1955

1956

1956

1957

1958

1959

1960 - Being compiled

1961

1962

Real Chart 1963

Real Chart 1964

Real Chart 1965 Full Charts version 1

Real Chart 1966 Full Version 

Real Chart 1967 

Real Chart 1968 

Real Chart 1969

Real Chart 1970

1971 - Being compiled

1972

1973

Real Chart 1974

Real Chart 1975

Real Chart 1976

Real Chart 1977

Real Chart 1978

1979 - Being compiled

The Real Chart 1980 PDF  

The Real Chart 1981 PDF

1982 - compiled ND

1983 - compiled ND

1984 - compiled ND

Real Chart 1985 Full Chart + Best Sellers 

The Real Chart 1986 

Real Chart 1987  

Real Chart 1988

1989 - Being compiled

1990 - compiled ND

Real Chart 1991

1992 - compiled ND

1993 - compiled ND

1994 - compiled ND

1995 - compiled ND

1996 - compiled ND

1997 - compiled ND

1998 - compiled ND

1999 - compiled ND

Real Chart 2000

2001 - compiled ND

2002 - compiled ND

2003 - compiled ND

2004 - compiled ND

2005 - compiled ND

2006 - compiled ND

2007 - compiled ND

2008 - compiled ND

2009 - compiled ND

2010 - compiled ND

REAL CHART 2011 Full year.pdf

Real Chart-2012 Full List including Best Sellers



Real Chart 2016 Full Update plus best sellers and drop outs 

Real Chart 2017 

Real Chart 2018 

Real Chart 2019  

Real Chart Number Ones 1948 to 2020 Version 1